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Foods Diets for longevity Dec 10 2011
23:32 (UTC)
Original Post by thhq:

You're right Sakura we shouldn't need to count calories. But I didn't come here with eating under control, and 5 years later I'm still counting to maintain healthy weight.

Then obviously you are not eating optimally in terms of the food choices you make. Eating should literally stop when your body doesn't want any more calorie intake, if you are eating good foods and running on a healthy metabolism. Otherwise, for example, if you eat sugars and fats together in high amounts, it will lead you to overeat calories even if your body is full, and is especially bad for those who have poor metabolisms. And it's **** to say that only young people have great metabolisms - most adults tend to let their eating slip once their lives get busier, which ends up wrecking their metabolism. Just because they're older doesn't mean that they can't have fast metabolisms. (sorry this is going off on a really far tangent...) But my point is, you're probably not eating at either an ideal combination of macronutrients and nutrients or your metabolism sucks. Eating right all the time eventually repairs your metabolism.

I'm not against carbohydrates necessarily, if you've been peeking at my past posts. It's just that many people abuse the intake of carbs as a source of constant energy when they don't need it, unless they are elite athletes training 4 hrs/day or something. I don't think that most people NEED to have their grains or fruits or potatoes, necessarily, especially because they don't even offer that much nutrition individually. And constant high intake of carbohydrates do start to wreck your metabolism...

Original Post by thhq:

I'd forgotten all about fries, which I ate more of in France than I did in the US. Steack frites, moules frites, and potatoes roasted with lots of oil with rotisserie chicken. The best ones were pommes de terre forestiere, which were fried in duck fat.

Yup! Notice how they don't use industrial spoiled seed oils with their potatoes, unlike in America :)
Fitness insanity Dec 10 2011
06:59 (UTC)

I was a hardcore athlete when I tried an insanity video, and I can say for certain that injuries will occur, even if you are not a beginner. There is so much jumping, some in unnatural positions, that it will only serve to jolt on your joints and muscles that should not be taking that much pounding. I'd say no.

Foods Diets for longevity Dec 10 2011
06:45 (UTC)
Original Post by thhq:

The argument is dieting for longevity sakura. I see the problem as Americans taking things to extremes. Too much food results in crash diets, cabbage soup, excessive exercise, etc. We puzzle over the French Paradox and respond with handfuls of dietary supplements instead of doing the most obvious thing: live like a French person. Eat richly but moderately and be active. Calorie counting controls the tendency to overeat.

Calorie counting shouldn't be needed in the first place for a healthy person, who eats when hungry and stops when nearly full. What helps with that is minimizing those fake foods because people are too addicted to their oreos and fries that they do not have the willpower to stop. People who do have enough self-control also think that they can fit a bunch of these into their diet because they think they can just restrict calories. But they actually need to focus on the food, not calories.

Foods So, if diet drinks are so bad for us... Dec 10 2011
04:32 (UTC)
Original Post by snowchilds:

 (Some people cannot stand the taste of water especially after weight-loss surgery when your taste buds change.)  

That is so not natural. How do they get through life? =\

Foods Diets for longevity Dec 10 2011
04:27 (UTC)

Also I do believe that a decent amount of activity not stressful to the body is as crucial as diet. Many Americans go crazy with difficult exercise for 10 hours a day, and it shows in the amount of chronic inflammation of muscles and joints we have. Not only is moving important, but not moving too quickly too much is just as important. Kind of going off of all those death's of those marathoners this past year, as an example to all of those wondering how "good cardio" ended up as these runners' demises.

I guess what it mainly boils down to is placing the least amount of stress on the body as possible. Eating things that are easy to digest and absorbed into the body without inflaming the body with foreign objects. Doing the least stressful thing with the body by not running too much or sitting too much. The French are known for being pretty stress-free (both diet and lifestyle), as is a lot of of Europe. I'm pretty sure all Americans do all things wrong that stress their body, which leads to such high rates of disease.

Foods Diets for longevity Dec 10 2011
03:34 (UTC)
Original Post by thhq:

Any national diet will work - American, French or Chinese - but any of these diets will also fail if a person chooses to be a sedentary overeater.

True this, but it is far easier to maintain weight on the French and Chinese diet than the American diet because American diets will only cause cellular nutrient starvation, which increases the desire for more food. The willpower to not eat when the body is craving food varies from person to person (as we can see from anorexics who are not really healthy, but have a very high tolerance to cellular starvation), but at least with the non-American diets, less willpower is needed to not eat junk. But I digress... thought the original argument was about overall health, not obesity.

Original Post by thhq:

don't leave out all those French grains and sugar! The diet I saw and ate had plenty of fatty meat, lean fish, cakes, bread, poultry livers and fresh fruit. There wasn't any evidence of American fad diet food avoidance. I recall much less snacking, light breakfasts, and lunch was usually the main meal. A lot more smoking, which could have been part of what kept the snacking down.

Yes, they do have grains, but do you see them eating extreme amounts of it? Versus Americans who eat 7-11 (or more) servings of grains every day, which is like 3 cups of super processed sugary cereal for breakfast, 2-3 slices of bread for lunch, and a huge thing of pasta at the end of the day. The one or two freshly-made baguettes that an entire French family consumes in a day is only just to sop up every last remaining bit of sauce or fat on the plate because they don't like wasting food.

Like you said, the French eat a lot of fresh food out of the meat, fish, liver, etc., which Americans do not consume enough of... And especially on the packaged foods - they would rather go to a bakery and eat one very fresh butter croissant rather than eat a package of preservatives in twinkies  (Ingredients: Enriched Bleached Wheat Flour [Flour, Reduced Iron, B Vitamins (Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (B1), Riboflavin (B2), Folic Acid)], Corn Syrup, Sugar, High Fructose Corn Syrup, Water, Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable and/or Animal Shortening (Soybean, Cottonseed and/or Canola Oil, Beef Fat), Whole Eggs, Dextrose. Contains 2% or Less of: Modified Corn Starch, Glucose, Leavenings (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate), Sweet Dairy Whey, Soy Protein Isolate, Calcium and Sodium Caseinate, Salt, Mono and Diglycerides, Polysorbate 60, Soy Lecithin, Soy Flour, Cornstarch, Cellulose Gum, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Natural and Artificial Flavors, Sorbic Acid (to Retain Freshness), Yellow 5, Red 40.)

That's just overloading your body with a lot of foreign **** that's supposedly supposed to turn into nutrients to help your cells function....


Original Post by thhq:

But there last week I spent time looking at photos of Robert Atkins over time. Up to age 60 he's lean and lanky, but by the late 90's he's obese and as old looking as many other 70 year old standard American dieters (Aka my direct ancestors). 

Atkins was alright, but he also promoted the concept of high fat and high protein within the context of the Standard American Diet. He said as long as you limit carbs, you can eat anything. So Americans could still consume lots of packaged foods.

In fact, just taking some random low-carb Atkins bar ingredients from line, I see that it is made with polydextrose, peanuts, palm kernel and palm oil, glycerin, frutooligosaccharides, soy protein isolate, whey protein isolate, peanut butter, hydrolyzed gelatin, cocoa, and loads of isolated vitamins and minerals that most people don't need an excess amount of. They're low in carbs, but certainly not high in real nutrition.

Atkins also allowed use of industrial vegetable oils as part of the diet, which are SO high in toxins, it lends itself to another discussion. And he put SOY as an okay food, which is also another very destructive food to your body.

IMO he was on target with the meats, but sadly not in the context of real foods, which I will say again, is the real way people can stay healthy.


And sorry, not attacking just you, but I feel you have the most valid points out of everyone in this discussion, and it takes too long to respond to every specific argument lol

Health & Support scared of the scale Dec 10 2011
02:56 (UTC)

Don't weigh yourself.

Fitness Really sore and weak legs-exercise ideas Dec 10 2011
02:52 (UTC)

If you want to be toned, lift heavy.

If you've been continuously doing only cardio this entire time and you're still not toned? Maybe you should consider a different routine..:P

Foods Vinegar Calories Dec 09 2011
15:18 (UTC)

Yes. But per tablespoon is negligible.

Recipes Love love love this high protein chili... Dec 09 2011
07:09 (UTC)

BPA poisoning anyone? :)

Recipes Chinese cooking Dec 09 2011
06:59 (UTC)


'nuff said.

Edit: oh, never mind. I was thinking the overarching Chinese food group instead of homecooked chinese.

Basically take a meat chopped up and a vegetable chopped up and stir fry them on the stove together with some garlic/onion/shallot/ginger combo.

I also make and fold wontons, baozi, jiaozi, and zongzi from scratch, since I learned the best traditional combinations and cooking/folding techniques for them, but they're freaking time and labor intensive, especially if you haven't done them before. I don't think you'd want to make those recipes lol.

Health & Support BINGE ATTACK. but it was all going so well! Dec 09 2011
06:54 (UTC)

Are you eating enough in the first place? Are you nutrient-deficient? Sounds like your body is craving for some real food instead of just rabbit feed. And you're still underweight.

Health & Support tingling/burning sensation in feet Dec 09 2011
06:49 (UTC)

It could mean a lot of things.

I don't place a lot of trust in doctors because they're really bad at diagnosing you for a disease because there are so many similar symptoms for a variety of diseases, and in the end, they just prescribe you some medication so that it covers up the symptoms and they make money.

My first step would be to evaluate your current nutrient intake: are you getting enough of those never-heard-minerals such as magnesium? Are you eating too many foods that contain phytates, which pretty much leeches the minerals from your food? Are you eating enough protein? Etc.

Then evaluate your habits. Have you tried not barefooting for a while to see what happens to your feet? Are you exercising too much? Are your feet always really cold on the tiled floor? (<--sorry, had to throw in my bit of Chinese medicine)

I think it's just a self-experimentation that you have to do. You know your body the best. You know your habits the best. Therefore, you probably are the best person to diagnose your own symptoms. Just add and subtract certain things to your lifestyle/diet that may cause those symptoms (especially since your blood tests are normal!) to see what affects you the most.

Health & Support Feeling pressure to order "bad food" when out with friends Dec 09 2011
06:44 (UTC)

Yeah, I know what you mean. I feel judged for the exact same reason. I just tell them that I like to add nutrition to my body whenever I have to eat; otherwise there is no point to eating at all.

It is really difficult because other people feel bad about ordering their crappy food and want to give you crap about eating better than them so that you eventually give in and they feel better about themselves. Don't let yourself get trapped into their constant drag-others-down-to-make-themselves-superior attitude. If they give you too much **** about it, then obviously they're not a real friend who values you for your own beliefs, and it is not worth your time to spend time with them.

Foods question for all the gum addicts Dec 09 2011
06:40 (UTC)

I personally find that much chewing very hard on the jaw, and leads you to habitually want to chew all the time. Plus, you're constantly ingesting some form of sugar or sugar alcohol, which is oftentimes not a good thing, even in smaller quantities. (consider: constant insulin spiking = bad)

If you have a dry mouth, drink more water. It is your body telling you it's dehydrated, after all.


Foods Miracle Noodles?? Dec 09 2011
06:05 (UTC)
Original Post by kghrmaster:

They are amazing! My fridge is stocked! You don't need the miracle noodle brand. There are plenty of others and they are very inexpensive! One pack is $1.99. Check out asiangrocer.com. Yes, they smell but rinse and boil. Yes, they are bland but toss them with some low cal sauce or veggies and it's a great alternative if you struggle with carbs. I do and it's the perfect fix for me. Try tossing with some cottage cheese salt pepper and few drops of sesame oil. YUM

My point exactly. $1.99 for 10 calories and none of its own delicious taste? Not that I dislike them; I like a Japanese shirataki dish if made correctly. But I'd rather eat something that tastes a lot better and is actually nutritious for $1.99, thank you very much...

Foods Peanut Butter Addiction! Dec 09 2011
03:24 (UTC)
Original Post by figurethefat:

I've heard lots of people say the same about peanut butter. Is it the peanut butter that makes you eat spoonfuls, or is it the salt and sugar that might be added to some of the "jars?" When I buy it for the family, I get the one that is ground fresh from the peanuts at the store. The healthfood store usually has this type of machine, and also Winco. It seems to cut down on the runaway eating. The fresh ground stuff is more dense, has a stronger peanut flavour and no salt or sugar.

I prefer raw almond butter myself. As for eating spoonfuls out of the jar--I go wild with Nutella!

I think it's a combination of both. Sugar and salt can be addictive tastes, but the high amounts of the combination of both fats and carbohydrates drive our brain into overdrive in wanting more. Which is totally the case with nuts by themselves anyway. I personally can pack away half a pound of nuts in a sitting and still be hungry, whereas a normal meal with half the calories will suit me just fine...

Foods So, if diet drinks are so bad for us... Dec 09 2011
03:20 (UTC)
Original Post by shane_paladin:

That seems like a rather drastic comparison.  Is it really like that?

It probably falls short of being compared, also, to would one rather freeze to death or burn to death.

Yes. Because both regular and diet versions of soda are toxic to your health. And they're addictive. What's the difference?

(sorry, this is has nothing to do with our previous conversations. I happened to just frequent this thread and disagree about something...)

Foods Miracle Noodles?? Dec 09 2011
03:18 (UTC)
Original Post by antibinge:

I think they're good to add bulk/texture to something that already has a certain flavor, but they're not a good idea if you actually want a noodle taste. I think they go great with some soy sauce and vegetables, but not really as a sub for things like cheese or pesto pasta.


I think they're way too expensive anyway. Do you really want to spend $10 on a total of 50 calories that have no nutrition whatsoever, or would you like to spend that $10 on a nice piece of steak and a side of roasted vegetables with lots of important vitamins and minerals that keep your body healthy?