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The Lounge Where, Oh where has calorie count gone Jan 09 2017
13:03 (UTC)
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Original Post by kikt:

Linden, Brian, santonacci, smw, gotborked - so many familiar people from all those years back :-) It's wonderful to see you are still alive an kicking :-)

As I said, if anyone want to connect on facebook, just look out for the group. It's not the same, but it's something.

Some help on locating the group?  I've looked for "chatnanigans" but can't find a group with that name.

The Lounge Where, Oh where has calorie count gone Jan 05 2017
22:53 (UTC)
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Just. Wow.

Even if a conversation wasn't going on , sometimes I went back to look at old conversations just because they were so hilarious (cake vs. pie!).

I'm going to miss you a$$hats

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 16 2016
15:21 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

Not to be off topic but computerized robots are coming for all y'all's jobs anyway.

No matter who is president. Or "president"

Not completely off topic.

I've witnessed this myself - machining houses in the St. Louis area are implementing a lot of high tech machine gantries to improve precision and volume output, which they will.  The unsaid portion of that is that the improved precision and volume is due to a lot of automation reducing the number of machinists needed per part.

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 15 2016
21:40 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

Implementing the reduction of a bureaucracy isn't something I've done before. It isn't my job, so I won't claim to know how to do it. My job is to vote for people who also want to do that, and have them do it/appoint those who know how to do it.

Do you believe that Rick Perry knows how to do this?  Did he do anything remotely on the scale of streamlining of an entire federal department so heavily dependent on technical expertise as governor of TX?

Yes, corporations do it a lot, but it also results in a lot of unemployed people and the quality of the product/service going down.  Like shaking up the MIC, Trump can't have it both ways.

What we "got along" without before 1977 is irrelevant.  We also "got along" without the internet.

ETA:  And if Trump realistically wants to compete with China both in technology and energy production, short changing the DoE is strategically a very bad idea. 

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 15 2016
14:45 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

Original Post by santonacci:

Original Post by gotborked:

hmm...maybe I shouldn't cite that as an example of the common occurrence of primary opponents kissing and making up after the election, since she actually was corrupt both in and out of her SOS position...but I guess it doesn't matter so much if you appoint a low-IQ captain to a ship you want to see sink anyway?

That's a good point.

Who needs our nuclear arsenal secured, anyway?

Doing away with/substantially reducing a bloated bureaucracy currently overseeing this task doesn't mean the task won't be done.

What evidence is there that the DoE has a bloated bureaucracy, and which parts of it need to be "sunk"?

This a serious question.  Everyone who likes to put together a dream list of which parts of the government they want to torch can never explain exactly what needs to change and what effect it would have.

Sure, they can agree that our nuclear arsenal needs to be secure, radioactive waste needs to be contained, and we need nuclear energy research, but if the basic functions of the DoE are to remain the pervue of the US Government, then you're just shuffling the functions and not getting rid of anything.

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 15 2016
14:34 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

Original Post by santonacci:

 

Original Post by gotborked:

Original Post by santonacci:

 

And I have to give him some credit for calling out the boondoggle that is the F-35, but if he thinks he's going to get rid of it anytime soon, he's as deluded as the people who are still chanting "lock her up" at his rallies.

Why? Maybe not soon...or maybe they will just sell them to Israel instead of US or something...but it seems like the hippies are just mad and confused at how their anti-Christ did more with one tweet to shake up the MIC than they ever did with their years of protests.

"...the plane's high costs and sprawling manufacturing scheme are features as well as bugs."

I don't know if you likening me to a hippie, but I'm all for shaking up the MIC, regardless of who does it.  However, he can't have it both ways.  Shaking up the MIC will affect jobs - a lot of them.  If he honestly thinks differently, he obviously knows nothing about the aerospace manufacturing supply chain.

ETA:  And I'm no expert on Israeli relations, but I'm not sure if expecting them to absorb 50 overpriced lemons while at the same time providing them billions of dollars in aid is the best idea.

Not saying you're a hippie...are you? It's just the go-to image for anti-MIC crowd.

I've been called one, but I'm not entirely sure why.  IMO, "Hippie" is a 60's term relevant only to to a specific group of people in history, and has been turned into a catch all pejorative to apply to anyone who shops with reusable bags and recycles. If I'm a "hippie", I'm the most boring one ever.

I'm not sure where you're getting your "go to" images for people who criticize the MIC, but that's the strangest characterization of Eisenhower I've ever encountered.

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 13 2016
20:28 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

hmm...maybe I shouldn't cite that as an example of the common occurrence of primary opponents kissing and making up after the election, since she actually was corrupt both in and out of her SOS position...but I guess it doesn't matter so much if you appoint a low-IQ captain to a ship you want to see sink anyway?

That's a good point.

Who needs our nuclear arsenal secured, anyway?

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 13 2016
20:24 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

Original Post by santonacci:

 

And I have to give him some credit for calling out the boondoggle that is the F-35, but if he thinks he's going to get rid of it anytime soon, he's as deluded as the people who are still chanting "lock her up" at his rallies.

Why? Maybe not soon...or maybe they will just sell them to Israel instead of US or something...but it seems like the hippies are just mad and confused at how their anti-Christ did more with one tweet to shake up the MIC than they ever did with their years of protests.

"...the plane's high costs and sprawling manufacturing scheme are features as well as bugs."

I don't know if you likening me to a hippie, but I'm all for shaking up the MIC, regardless of who does it.  However, he can't have it both ways.  Shaking up the MIC will affect jobs - a lot of them.  If he honestly thinks differently, he obviously knows nothing about the aerospace manufacturing supply chain.

ETA:  And I'm no expert on Israeli relations, but I'm not sure if expecting them to absorb 50 overpriced lemons while at the same time providing them billions of dollars in aid is the best idea.

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 13 2016
20:12 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

Not sad to see a notorious human-rights-violating country being put on its toes over Trump's efforts to not let them bend us over a barrel economically anymore. And you are wrong about nuclear thing.

I agree that it wouldn't be sad if that was Trump's actual concern.

Please let me know when he actually has a plan to address human rights in China, decides to call out Russia and Turkey, or listens to experts and denounces the use of torture.

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 13 2016
20:05 (UTC)
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Original Post by dbackerfan:

Trump knows the propaganda game!  Appoints Rick Perry to Dept of Energy said dept that Rick Perry wanted to shut down in 2013- Seems the appointments so far have ALL been for shutting down the departments they will oversee.

That's not the saddest part, IMO.

Trump in 2015:  "He (Perry) should be forced to take an IQ test before being allowed to enter the GOP debate."  

So not only is Trump's IQ requirement for his cabinet lower than the one for a GOP debate, he has forgiven Perry for calling him a carnival act and a cancer on conservatism.

And apparently Carly Fiorina has gotten over the "look that face" thing.  I guess it's fortunate for her that Trump didn't listen when she called for him to drop out.

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 13 2016
19:14 (UTC)
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Original Post by catwalker:

Borked, explain why you think Trump is winning for us when he is bringing us closer to nuclear war.

In all fairness, it will be good for the MIC, at least for a while, which will likely increase volume in a lot of small machining and component shops all across the Midwest.  (Unless he gets his wish and pushes through restrictions on importing steel and aluminum, and then they're screwed.)

And I have to give him some credit for calling out the boondoggle that is the F-35, but if he thinks he's going to get rid of it anytime soon, he's as deluded as the people who are still chanting "lock her up" at his rallies.

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 13 2016
14:25 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

 First, Obama mocked Trump's plan to save Carrier jobs as impossible, then Trump goes out and does it. Then, Obama mocks Trump's success with Carrier, as really nice, but hey, it's only 1,000 jobs.

 

First, Trump didn't "go out and do it", the "deal" was due to a 7 million dollar bribe courtesy of Pence.  Which most people, including Sarah Palin of all people, have noted sets a very bad precedent. 

Second, 300 of those jobs weren't at risk of leaving in the first place.

Third, that oh so awesome investment that Carrier promised is going towards automation, which means those saved jobs aren't going to be there for long.

Panem et circenses

And while I suppose it's a matter of opinion, I fail to see why people getting used to Trump's unceasing twitter nonsense is a good sign.  I'm sure if Obama whined this much on social media that it would have been waived off too, right?

ETA:  And that Ford plant wasn't leaving

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 07 2016
21:29 (UTC)
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Original Post by dbackerfan:

Back to Trumplethinskin I see he telephoned in to Today show and said he is being constrained on Twitter- really?!! 

Well, his TV watching is already restricted apparently.  Either his staff needs to stop forcing him to watch an unfunny, sad, and biased show like SNL, or they gotta fix his remote.

The Lounge Where's the Trump thread? Dec 05 2016
23:09 (UTC)
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Right now I'm kind of in awe of the feedback loop between Trump and SNL.

They do a sketch making fun of his uncontrollable twitter habit, then he tweets his disapproval.

Sometimes I delude myself into a less nervous state by pretending this is just effed up performance art.

The Lounge Favorite quotes Dec 02 2016
22:17 (UTC)
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"This is the problem with the media.  You guys took everything that Donald Trump said so literally."

- Corey Lewandowski (former Trump campaign manager)

The Lounge Favorite quotes Nov 18 2016
19:15 (UTC)
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Hercules Mulligan, I need no introduction.  When you knock me down I get the F*** back up again!

- Mulligan, "Yorktown"

The Lounge A Depressing Thread with Angst & Disgust about the 2016 General Election Nov 17 2016
12:56 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by santonacci:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Please bear in mind that the people calling Steve Bannon a white supremacist are the same people who affixed that label to a cartoon frog. (Without citing any actual examples in both instances, I would add.)

Pepe the Frog

This one is much funnier.  ADL at least points out that it probably doesn't mean anything hateful if it doesn't have swastikas or something on it ... which sort of begs the question of why we'd be calling the cartoon a symbol of white supremacy instead of, you know, the swastika.

Agreed - but you appeared to be asserting that there were no examples of it being used for white nationalist purposes.

The ADL also noted that incidents of Pepe's use in alt right memes is increasing, not decreasing.  It would certainly not be the first time a nominally benign symbol was co-opted by white supremacists.

The Lounge A Depressing Thread with Angst & Disgust about the 2016 General Election Nov 16 2016
18:09 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Please bear in mind that the people calling Steve Bannon a white supremacist are the same people who affixed that label to a cartoon frog. (Without citing any actual examples in both instances, I would add.)

Pepe the Frog

The Lounge A Depressing Thread with Angst & Disgust about the 2016 General Election Nov 14 2016
16:39 (UTC)
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Original Post by minn_kota:

So what if the Chief Strategist is a Nationalist. I would be concerned if he's a professed racist but a Nationalist I'm OK. The opposite with a Nationalist is a Globalist. I actually don't like Globalists all that much. I prefer a country to retain its own sovereignty while dealing with other countries fairly. I've seen way too much globalists bullying other countries, demanding that they give up their sovereignty for the global good when there is really no defined global good. The ideal of global good I like but so far the implementation is disastrous.

White Nationalist

ETA:  It's unlikely you're going to find a statement by Bannon specifically saying "I'm a racist."  However, all you have to do is look at his publishing history to know that he's not just anti-globalism.

The Lounge A Depressing Thread with Angst & Disgust about the 2016 General Election Nov 14 2016
15:22 (UTC)
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Original Post by dbackerfan:

I believe in giving him a chance and I will support things that will benefit the US and world, but so far his actions have made me more fearful.

 

Same here.

However, it's interesting that while his campaign was all about being an "outsider", "draining the swamp", and being free of insider and lobbyist influence - now  he's populating his administration with...... insiders and lobbyists.  Supporters who were frustrated with GOP leadership must be thrilled with the selection of Priebus as Chief of Staff.

It doesn't surprise me that Trump lied about that, but what really bothers me is that so many people believed him.

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