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The Lounge the Chat beneath our wings Aug 28 2015
00:27 (UTC)
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I've been walking through half the day like a zombie.

And I can't even get drunk because my stomach is touchy these days. I did try though.

Fortunately virtual shots are no problem

*grabs a whoöe bottle of vodka and a box of tissues and curls up on an armchair*

The Lounge I feel alone :( Feb 08 2015
19:09 (UTC)
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I doubt that this is any consolation but even with friends you can sometimes feel very alone. It seems to be human nature.

However, it may be hard but it's not impossible to find freinds.

Meetup is great. I sometimes get a newsletter and, ok, I live in  a Metropolis so the offer is large, but there's a TON of interesting things there.

Enrolling in classes/uni/ sport clubs or any kind of 'common interest group is also a good way to meet people.

And, last but not least, doggy meetings are a great social connector. Maybe there's a big dog-internet forum where they group up for communal walks locally?

 

The Lounge How to help a hungry cat through pre-surgery fasting? Feb 05 2015
18:59 (UTC)
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Glad to hear the surgery went well!! :-)

I wish a speedy recovery for the kitty.

The Lounge ISIS burned Jordanian pilot alive Feb 05 2015
18:53 (UTC)
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Original Post by cajunrider:

Original Post by catwalker:

Original Post by cajunrider:

Original Post by kikt:

Original Post by cajunrider:

King Abdullah of Jordan is pissed. Jordan is now flying many more sorties to strike ISIS. Things are heating up over there.

As ISIS starts to create its own Islamic State, the current regimes of all those countries will either have to join them or directly confront them. There is no other choices for any country.

For the US right now, I actually favor the containment policy. The middle east has been blaming the US for meddling in their affair. Well then, leave them be should be the general tact. However, this is easier said than done. To keep ISIS in check, I think the US is going to have to be arming the Kurds much better. While this potentially causes conflict with keeping Iraq together since the Kurds want independence. At the moment, the Kurds are the only group that appears to be willing to engage ISIS earnestly. Combining their effort on one side and with Jordan providing the air strikes can be effective against ISIS.

Unfortunately, arming and training the other party is what created the Taliban to being with. :-/

To a degree that is true but that also stopped the Soviet Union from taking Afghanistan. Dealing with the Taliban is still preferable to dealing with a much more powerful Soviet Union had they still exist.

I completely disagree. The taliban formed from the remnants of us funding the ones fighting against the Soviet Union. I don't believe the Soviet Union would have been much more powerful if they had succeeded in conquering Afghanistan. Afghanistan was their Vietnam. There was no way they were ever going to conquer that land given the geography and culture.

I guess we both will never know whether or not they could. The difference I do know though is that the Soviet Union was much more ruthless than the US. Without the US weapons to resists, the Afghans would have been slaughtered. The US has no stomach to slaughter people, the Russians did.

I think the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki would beg to differ. Hands on slaughter, however, yes, only the Nazis topped Stalin in that one.

 

I don't often completely agree with Knowan, but this time I do! It was already short sighted to think 'Oh, we don't like this ruler, let's arm the opposition and get rid of him. No probs at all'. But it's naive to believe that when faced with terrorist or local resistance you can just "nuke 'em!" That would require everyone to be more or less in one place and the whole point of these structures is that they are NOT in one place.

That's why the phrase 'war on terrorism' or 'war on drugs' are just propaganda. Neither terrorists nor drugs are countries, so you can't go to war against thenm. you can only try to fight it, but as long as you don't go to the roots of the problem nothing will change.

About schooling the poor in Muslim countries: I really doubt the US would have to fund this alone. But is it realistic that Western countries would be allowed to just open schools in Muslim countries??

The Lounge ISIS burned Jordanian pilot alive Feb 05 2015
05:58 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kikt:

Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kikt:

But more ruthless than what?  What I had in mind was more ruthless than "precision" strikes.

The US started wars against two countries in the attempt to root out terrorists (and for some wee other reasons) and only more groups sprang up. You can't bomb terrorists just as you can't bomb a mosquito that bites you. So Bin Ladden gets assassinated and what does this change? Nothing. The next person is there to pick up where he left.  In fairness, we haven't really tried to bomb the terrorists.  Perhaps you can't bomb the mosquito, but you can certainly blow the **** out of the swamp they live in.

 

 

 

Like in Hiroshima?

Not going to happen. It doesn't matter if hundreds of people are brutally murdered (or thousands like in Nigeria recently by Boko Haram) You can't throw large bombs on a foreign country, even if you are the US (especially not if you are the US)

Not unless you want to start a Third World War.

Doesn't that really depend on who wants to take ISIS's side on that?

I don't think so, because ISIS is not a country. What exactly do you want do bomb big style? Irak or Syria? Because they sit in both.

Attack either and you'll have a whole different kind of trouble because it will look like the US are leading a war against all Muslims. Ain't that gonna be fun considering that Muslims are the second largest religion on the planet.

I'm not sure if anything good ever came out of the ancient crusades but I don't think it did.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think ISIS is all kinds of hideous and needs to be eradicated, but they are already being bombed and battled against by several factions (including the US). You simply cannot go against them in a 'big style' because that really would mean a second Hiroshima and that is simply not acceptable under no kind of circumstance.

Our planet is simply too small for that kind of war.

The Lounge ISIS burned Jordanian pilot alive Feb 04 2015
20:28 (UTC)
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Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

I haven't seen the video and won't.

But when I heard about it, and thought about it, my main thought was that they are desperate to provoke a larger conflict with us (or our allies if that will draw us  in more too).

The decapitations, gruesome as they were, didn't achieve a ground war. So now they are turning to ever more brutal and unimaginably horrific killings to get us to do what? Deploy more troops and spend more resources over there? For what purpose? To bleed us dry so that our society will eventually collapse like all empires that overextend themselves, at which point we will no longer be meddling in their countries' affairs?

I don't really know. But that was what I thought about it.

I agree with you.

I also believe that in the long run violence only causes more violence.

So modern Europe has been at peace for a long time and prospers. But the price were the lives 60 million people and vast areas turned into rubble. Kind of a high price, imo.

 

The Lounge ISIS burned Jordanian pilot alive Feb 04 2015
20:25 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Original Post by kikt:

But more ruthless than what?  What I had in mind was more ruthless than "precision" strikes.

The US started wars against two countries in the attempt to root out terrorists (and for some wee other reasons) and only more groups sprang up. You can't bomb terrorists just as you can't bomb a mosquito that bites you. So Bin Ladden gets assassinated and what does this change? Nothing. The next person is there to pick up where he left.  In fairness, we haven't really tried to bomb the terrorists.  Perhaps you can't bomb the mosquito, but you can certainly blow the **** out of the swamp they live in.

 

 

 

Like in Hiroshima?

Not going to happen. It doesn't matter if hundreds of people are brutally murdered (or thousands like in Nigeria recently by Boko Haram) You can't throw large bombs on a foreign country, even if you are the US (especially not if you are the US)

Not unless you want to start a Third World War.

The Lounge ISIS burned Jordanian pilot alive Feb 04 2015
20:21 (UTC)
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Original Post by cajunrider:

King Abdullah of Jordan is pissed. Jordan is now flying many more sorties to strike ISIS. Things are heating up over there.

As ISIS starts to create its own Islamic State, the current regimes of all those countries will either have to join them or directly confront them. There is no other choices for any country.

For the US right now, I actually favor the containment policy. The middle east has been blaming the US for meddling in their affair. Well then, leave them be should be the general tact. However, this is easier said than done. To keep ISIS in check, I think the US is going to have to be arming the Kurds much better. While this potentially causes conflict with keeping Iraq together since the Kurds want independence. At the moment, the Kurds are the only group that appears to be willing to engage ISIS earnestly. Combining their effort on one side and with Jordan providing the air strikes can be effective against ISIS.

Unfortunately, arming and training the other party is what created the Taliban to being with. :-/

The Lounge ISIS burned Jordanian pilot alive Feb 04 2015
20:19 (UTC)
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Original Post by nebi-hime:

Ignorance, lack of education and poverty could be said for those in the middle-east, but what of the individuals in the first-world countries that flock to Syria to join ISIL?

 

Th same really. I recently saw this painful to watch interview with a german who did this.

He was a loser in Germany and converting to radical Islam gave him a purpose and power. And that women didn't fancy him no longer mattered.

The Lounge ISIS burned Jordanian pilot alive Feb 04 2015
19:34 (UTC)
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But more ruthless than what?

The US started wars against two countries in the attempt to root out terrorists (and for some wee other reasons) and only more groups sprang up. You can't bomb terrorists just as you can't bomb a mosquito that bites you. So Bin Ladden gets assassinated and what does this change? Nothing. The next person is there to pick up where he left.

 

The question is WHY the people flock towards the religious extrem in the first place. Ignorance, lack of education and poverty are the reasons that spring to my mind first. Is there a way to battle this as an outsider in another country. Possibly, but I'm not sure about the right strategy.

I recently talked at length to someone who works a lot in Indonesia and the Muslim population there is drifting towards fundamentalism because the only way for poor people to give them an education is to send them to private Moslem schools where they are partly brainwashed.

Over here there is a very public debate about why the hell Saudi Arabia is a 'friend country' where so many people go on holidays - when they have the exact legal and punishment system that the IS is using, including with stoning, flogging and hanging people to death for the smallest things.

I believe there is only so much you can do from the outside. Meddling with internal affairs from other countries can have serious backlash - as the machinachions of the UK and US in Irak show so clearly.

I'm not even opposed to meddling in general - German military and police is working in Afghanistan after all training the local militia etc - but what exactly can we do??

The Lounge going after anti-vaxxers Feb 04 2015
18:07 (UTC)
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Original Post by runesplendor:

Original Post by catwalker:

Original Post by runesplendor:

I do, and I'm only being a little facetious.  It has to do with my pain tolerance and mental state regarding needles, as much as it does the skill of the drawer.

I guess I do consider a blood draw as minimally invasive. There are so many much worse medical tests.

It's all subjective.  My dad has no problem getting needles in his mouth, but almost cries like a baby when he lances his fingers for his diabetic blood thingy.  I'd rather go through undrugged childbirth once a week than get a single needle in my mouth, and that's even with topical anesthetic.

But I guess we can all agree than a vaccine shot is way less painful than a blood draw.  It's the height of unfairness to make the same poor kids have to have both.  

Apart from Tetanus. That hurts like frack, even days later.

And some nurses are terrible at blood drawing. A friend if mine recently came from a rather loud and dramatic altercation in her doctors practice after someone who'd only done it nine times insisted on doing hers, even tough she has some kind of weird condition that make drawing blood difficult. Half her arm was black and blue.

But, yes, the mom should have found a way to retrieve the documents.

I remember getting the MMR vaccine as an adult and then a blood test to prove that I am immune all because I was told the Canadian university I was going to study at needed that proof. That was so annoying and cost me money and a ton of time and running back and forth - and then noone ever asked for it. Bloody annoying.

About eradicating diseases: Can we really? I mean, even the plague isn't truly dead, although t is very difficult to get. If wer really lose that many people to measles (I honestly had no idea) obviously we should get vaccinated but I still think we need to be on our toes even for seemingly antique diseases.

The Lounge going after anti-vaxxers Feb 03 2015
17:01 (UTC)
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Original Post by knowan:

They're removed the (very small) amount of heavy metals in the vaccine since about 15 years ago.  The thiomersal (aka mercury-containing) vaccines have been eliminated (the exception is the flu shot).  

 

Well, I admit I'm not up to date on human vaccinations topic.

The heavy metal discussion is very much alive in the dog-owner community, here. Since so many dogs die of cancer nowadays, the debate is where that comes from. Bad diet and stress might be factors but yearly vaccines are also on the list of suspects.

Since the heavy metal is used as a preservative I'm guessing they still have it in animal vaccines because it's cheaper?

 

The Lounge raise your hand if... Feb 03 2015
16:55 (UTC)
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I'd raise my hand but i'm too fatigued.

:-)

It might also be odd for newcomers to stumble across a bunch of people making references to stuff that happened eight years ago.

Maybe we should re-invite CCat to stir things up a bit ;-)

The Lounge going after anti-vaxxers Feb 03 2015
16:53 (UTC)
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Original Post by dbackerfan:

http://io9.com/this-simulation-compares-the-s pread-of-ebola-to-other-d-1646180979

 

the point I was making is that measles spreads faster than Ebola, and Christie doesn't respect science, but panders to the bases feat of the day

one person visits Disneyland and now there is an outbreak.  One person from Africa goes to a hospital in TX and  what 2 nurses got sick, and probably due to TX hospital not having proper infectious disease barriers available to them.  One nurse has misfortune of landing in Jersey and gets quarantine for no valid medical basis 

The simulation is very interesting.

I guess I'll just have to recondition the 40 year old connections in my brain concerning measles. If the simulation is correct it is deadlier than the flue - which I never would have guessed. :-(

 

The Lounge going after anti-vaxxers Feb 03 2015
16:49 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

Original Post by kathygator:

Original Post by runesplendor:

Anecdotally speaking, the half a dozen anti-vaxxers I know are overwhelmingly anti-goverment, anti-big pharma and yet unbelievably liberal.

In an interesting twist, a segment of the conservative population (and the candidates that are pandering to them) have taken up the anti-vax banner, because FREEDOM. Of course, try to slip an abortion past them, and then it's all about the children.

I'm sure once they realize they're in agreement with liberals of any stripe, they'll abandon the ploy, and become strident supporters of vaccinations.

Which, I guess, can be considered a Herd Immunity win.

Well, it's hard to think of a more invasive afront to liberty than to say you must physically submit your body/your family's bodies to the government so it can inject you with whatever government-mandated substance it demands at the time.

So what's wrong with freedom all around? Let citizens remain free to get whatever vaccines we wish, and this or that school/other entity is free to require its patrons to have whatever vaccines it wishes.

As for runes observation, I think it might make more sense to you if you distinguish actual liberals from the majority of people today who claim to be liberal, but are actually statists.

On the other hand, you chose to live in a society with other people - not alone on an island. And I think a society does principally have the right to try and protect itself against diseases.

The problem is that vaccinations do have side-effects and although chances are very slim, they can kill. I guess that's why societies don't force people to get vaccinated.

But hollering about freedom seems rather odd to me in that respect.

Besides there is this issue with HIV positiv orphans who are being medicated to the hilt, often against the wishes of their foster parents. I once saw a fairly disturbing documentary about this. (Virus was dormant, meds were still in testing phases, pharma people on the boards that decided which kid got what etc) Kind of hard to argue against vaccinations with 'Freedom!' when you have this stuff going on at the same time.

Well, over her we have mandatory inspections of children every few months when they are babies and once a year till they go to school. That legislation came into place after the horrific death of Jessica (the girl was starved to death by her family over elven gruesome years. She weighed less than the family cat)

I'm assuming these visits also include the vaccinations and since most kindergardens refuse to take kids that aren't vaccinated I think 'herd immunity' should be ok.

 

This topic made me look up some info, though, and I was a) glad that I'm up to date on my Tetanus and b) realized that in a few years vaccines will be a topic for me again as it is recommended for 50plus to vaccinate against shingles and 60 plus to vaccinate against the flu.

If I had a child I probably would do most of the recommended vaccines but I also know I'd be very nervous about it.

The Lounge going after anti-vaxxers Feb 03 2015
15:14 (UTC)
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Im sorry, but you can't compare Measles with Ebola.

And we should be pretty glad it spreads a lot harder because Ebola ist deadly with a fatality rate between 60 to 90% depending on your age.

Chances of dying of Measles are 0,1%. The flue is a lot more deadly than that. If that vaccination wouldn't also protect you against certain strands of meningitis I doubt that anybody would really bother.

 

 

The Lounge Annoying Ex? Feb 01 2015
22:40 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Go to the courts, not the police.  Getting an anti-harassment order is a civil process.  There may be a court facilitator or a domestic violence advocate who could help you.

Btw, Lys is a lawyer (or attorney? I'm actually not sure. Sorry, Lys, not been around much in the past three years) she knows what she's talking about.

Get a restraining order asap.

 

This is harrassment, slander and stalking and illegal in a lot of places, regardless of what the police might or might not do. 

I would also send around a mass-email or message where you simply inform your friends and fellow churchgoers that you are currently having problems with a stalker and legal actions have been taken. That should pretty much say to anybody that he is spreading lies with criminal intent. Anybody who is then still not on your side is not worth having around anyway.

 

Good luck and stay strong (and safe. No meetings alone with him, whatsoever)

The Lounge going after anti-vaxxers Jan 31 2015
12:12 (UTC)
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Original Post by gotborked:

Original Post by nomoreexcuses:

From that map in the LA Times, some counties in California have 20% exempted from vaccines.

See. Another criteria to consider when deciding where to live.

I don't know which there are more of, anti-vaxers or illegal immigrants, but I would guess the vulnerability is even greater in regions like SoCal where there are larger numbers of undocumented immigrants who bypassed our health screens coming from countries that aren't on our vaccination level.

 

Lol!!

That is such an odd mix of prejudice and misconception, it is rather funny. 

 

Will I get expelled if I am outing myself as one of those middle-class people who are a bit sceptical about some kind of vaccines? Some children have died after being vaccinated and if I look at the modern list of things kids are getting vaccinated against I am going 'Huh???' a lot because some diseases I've never heard of and some seem to be rather harmless.

 

One of my problems is that I actually had most of those diseases that are often being discussed. In the 70s and 80s they were called 'Kinderkrankheiten' (child diseases) and they were considered part of the normal process of growing up. Measles, whopping cough, mumps, chicken pox, rubella - there was almost a competiton at school as who'd already had them all. (Granted, it was unknown that measles can cause brain damage and if you had a bad case you did go to the hospital and rubella always caused a stir because it is dangerous to pregnant women)

So I admit, there is a small part inside me that thinks 'things that don't kill you make you stronger' and wonders what it means to cut out being ill out of a persons growth process.

I do think vaccines are absolutely necessary, especially against stuff like polio and tetanus etc. But mumps? Really??

And vaccines do contain heavy metals as presevatives which the body can't get rid of. Must we really vaccinate against every little thing, piling up that stuff in our bodies, just because it is so terrible to be ill for a week?

Just thoughts, though. I don't have kids so I fortunately don't have to make that decision (btw, I think kindergardens don't accept kids that are not vaccinated, here. Schools, as far as I know, have no say in the matter)

The Lounge do these jeans look ok in the rear? Jan 21 2015
14:55 (UTC)
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Original Post by catwalker:

Original Post by kikt:

Damn, I can't remember who kept writing redicolous. Was it that babyface, Richmonbread?


It was Ccat.

Lol! Thanks for the tip!

The echos of Ccat will eventually last longer than his actual membership. If we had a 'Hall of Fame' (or Infamousness) on CC, he'd have a top spot.

The Lounge do these jeans look ok in the rear? Jan 21 2015
14:00 (UTC)
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Damn, I can't remember who kept writing redicolous. Was it that babyface, Richmonbread?

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