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The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 16 2015
16:11 (UTC)
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Of course someone needs to try to fix that. In fact someone did, hence the meds.

My point was, as you said "Prison placements have nothing to do with whether he is legally insane or not; that determines whether he lives out his life in a locked psych ward or a prison."

Clearly he needs the locked psyche ward, not any kind of gen pop, no matter what the law defines 'criminally insane' as. And that was one of my other questions. Is there a way to get him locked up in a Hannibal Lechter prison, without the insanity verdict?

 

ETA: In other words, I think someone needs to try to fix that AND lock him away from others.

The Lounge Seattle CEO takes massive pay cut, promises every employee a minimum annual wage of $70K Apr 16 2015
13:13 (UTC)
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I dig it. I disagree with Porch that stock options are the better way. Mostly because they are a carrot on a stick, but also because you can be told 'stock options' for 10 years, and still get down-sized out of the company through no fault of your own.

 

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 16 2015
12:53 (UTC)
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Original Post by theviewfromhere:

society's question is much simpler: do we institutionally, systematically, and deliberately kill, or do we not.

Ok. Yes. This. Whether he de-radicalizes, or not, even whether he becomes a martyr for others, or not, is not the point.

It's a tough pill to swallow, but it's the correct medicine.

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 16 2015
12:47 (UTC)
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Original Post by lysistrata:

Here is an appeal that I handled recently.  I haven't encountered many irredeemables so far, but he was one of them.  What is sad is that somebody's decision about his capacity for redemption (i.e., whoever put him in general population) nearly cost another person's life.  I only hope that the decision stemmed from misplaced optimism rather than from the kind of arrogance that presumes I can fix this and puts others in harm's way to boost one's own self-righteous ego.

For the few people out there like Mr. West, there will never be any option besides keeping him restrained from hurting other people.  However, for the vast majority of people who aren't monsters, a prison system that treats them as though they are tends to be remarkably self-fulfilling.

I don't know whether Mr. Tsarnaev is one of the monsters or not, but one thing I am quite sure of is that after a decade in Supermax, he will be.

Thank you for the interesting read.

I have a few questions, but the one relevant to your point is this: Is it possible that he was put in gen pop, not because of misguided hope OR self-serving ego, but because he didn't meet the legal definition of 'insane', and that there is no other suitable alternative for him, because of that?

As to arrogance, I can't condemn a person for believing 'I can fix this', although I think the more typical thought is 'I have to try'.

 

ETA: FWIW, I do understand your frustration. A high-profile case sparks intense conversation and scrutiny, meanwhile there are probably hundreds of thousands of incidents that demonstrate the inherent cruelty and de-humanization of our prison system that go largely ignored.

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 14 2015
19:40 (UTC)
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I think I've made my opposition to capital punishment pretty clear too. Not sure what your point is?

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 14 2015
18:12 (UTC)
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Yeah, answered in #110.

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 14 2015
15:50 (UTC)
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Original Post by amwick:

Original Post by kathygator:

I don't believe that empowering the state to kill in the name of serving justice is a fine point. I think that the infallibility of any justice system is the single most important reason for not empowering the state to kill.

Don't know what I think about being called pollyannaish. Perhaps there's some merit there. Abandoning the belief that every human being has the potential to overcome, or in this case reform, feels like giving up to me. But maybe I'm just trying to offset my instinctual revulsion at this man's actions, by clinging to some form of hope. Honestly, dunno. It pricked my ego, so maybe there's some basis.

It wonderful that you feel that way.. There are people that feel that certain crimes warrant punishment, no matter what..one really complicated part seems to be the age of a criminal.. 

 

I think I've been pretty clear that punishment is warranted.

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 14 2015
12:59 (UTC)
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To be fair, I do think the larger point that our prison system is so hosed, that the hope is faint, is valid. I just don't reckon you fix that problem without a fundamental belief in human potential.

The Lounge A flamboyant thread w/ razzle dazzle about the 2016 presidential primary elections Apr 14 2015
12:45 (UTC)
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Marco Rubio has declared. He reads as kind of TP light, not so profoundly BSC, but I think he doesn't have the chops to clear New Hampshire.

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 14 2015
12:39 (UTC)
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I don't believe that empowering the state to kill in the name of serving justice is a fine point. I think that the infallibility of any justice system is the single most important reason for not empowering the state to kill.

Don't know what I think about being called pollyannaish. Perhaps there's some merit there. Abandoning the belief that every human being has the potential to overcome, or in this case reform, feels like giving up to me. But maybe I'm just trying to offset my instinctual revulsion at this man's actions, by clinging to some form of hope. Honestly, dunno. It pricked my ego, so maybe there's some basis.

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 09 2015
15:47 (UTC)
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Yeah, I know, Lys. But at least if he's not dead there's some hope of transformation, however it might happen, and whatever humane treatment might or might not convey to the next bomber, it certainly couldn't be argued to validate their hatred. There is no hope of that if he's dead.

I honestly don't know a better option than to give that hope a chance. We suck at beating good behavior into people.

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 09 2015
15:01 (UTC)
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Also, I think there's no telling what happened in his head between waiting to die in a boat, praying for martyrdom, and standing in front of a judge. But I think it's a fair bet that if sentenced to death, he'd go right back to praying for martyrdom.

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 09 2015
14:11 (UTC)
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For me it isn't so much whether he deserves or doesn't deserve rehabilitation. What he 'deserves' is being denied the culmination of his twisted beliefs in the form of a humane 'beheading'. And the people who think like he does deserve no martyrs to their cause.

I think what we owe ourselves, though, is the proof that our way is the better way. If a person like this can be treated humanely, can be de-radicalized, and by example can de-radicalize the next bomber, then maybe there's a slight glimmer of meaning for a wholly repugnant and senseless act. And possibly a tiny measure of solace for the grieving.

But as I said, I won't get any of that. 

The Lounge I am an a**hat Apr 09 2015
13:07 (UTC)
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Uptown a$$hat don't give it you...

The Lounge Boston Marathon Bomber's Sentence Apr 09 2015
13:05 (UTC)
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I think life in prison serves to punish the offense. I don't want him gang-raped, or beaten. I want him de-radicalized. I want a fellow Muslim to convince him of the error of his distorted perception of his faith, to bring him back to the path and for him to actually feel remorse.

What better way to honor the victims than to make their attacker regret killing them?

I obviously won't get that, but that's my highest hope.

The Lounge Shush, lil baby don't you CHAT. Mar 30 2015
13:45 (UTC)
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Hello Chat. Welcome Raptor. :)

The Lounge All night hearing voices telling me That I should get some Chat Because tomorrow might be good for something Mar 23 2015
16:35 (UTC)
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...in danger of having his adorable face eaten for cuteness. I bet the 'rents are delighted. :)

The Lounge All night hearing voices telling me That I should get some Chat Because tomorrow might be good for something Mar 23 2015
16:14 (UTC)
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Original Post by lily42:

Shep, they told me not to take the stairs either. I was fine so I did. They are just extra precautionary I guess just i case. You will most likely be able to do quite a bit.

How's little angel-face-man Lilita? The pics have been wonderful.

The Lounge All night hearing voices telling me That I should get some Chat Because tomorrow might be good for something Mar 23 2015
15:48 (UTC)
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And even if you do need pain meds, it'll be ok. You got this, kid.

The Lounge All night hearing voices telling me That I should get some Chat Because tomorrow might be good for something Mar 23 2015
15:36 (UTC)
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I know it feels like you're not in control, and you aren't, but you learn to go with this particular flow, extraordinarily quickly.

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